Session Start: Sat Apr 21 21:11:00 2001
[21:11:00] *** Now talking in #kvu
[21:11:00] #kvu url is http://KVUniversity.tripod.com
[21:11:01] <flareonAtma> you guys start
[21:11:02] <@Lazz> it was edited a bit tho
[21:11:09] * FlareonAtma will cover color_maps
[21:11:10] <@Lazz> i forgot what i did
[21:11:25] <@Lazz> atma: if we get to that
[21:11:51] <@Lazz> ok ready all?
[21:12:07] <Espergrai> i am!
[21:12:15] <flareonAtma> yah
[21:12:19] <@Xepo> yep
[21:12:22] <EvilsBane> i yam
[21:12:23] * FlareonAtma does a quick upload
[21:12:23] <Espergrai> yam :D
[21:12:28] <@Lazz> star?
[21:12:35] <Espergrai> Heeere StarrieStar
[21:12:41] <TaxiStar> hiy
[21:12:44] <TaxiStar> what?
[21:12:44] <@Lazz> ok
[21:12:49] <@Lazz> were starting
[21:12:54] * EvilsBane raises his hand
[21:13:00] <@Lazz> sup eb?
[21:13:03] <EvilsBane> should I open pov ray or just sit here scratching my nuts
[21:13:07] <Espergrai> nuts.
[21:13:10] <EvilsBane> k.
[21:13:11] <@Lazz> lol everyone open pov
[21:13:21] <flareonAtma> open it, dumbass
[21:13:51] <@Xepo> ok, lazz should ebt he only one talking until he asks for input or what  not
[21:14:01] <@Lazz> and download the scene from http://www.alltel.net/~rb64921/pov/file001.pov
[21:14:01] <@Lazz> and tell me when you got it
[21:14:01] <flareonAtma> yah
[21:14:03] <EvilsBane> ok
[21:14:17] <EvilsBane> got it
[21:14:28] <Espergrai> for ir
[21:14:36] <Espergrai> should we open it or am i getting ahead of myself? d=
[21:14:45] <Espergrai> ..I said for ir?
[21:14:47] <Espergrai> I meant got it
[21:14:50] <@Lazz> uh... yeah
[21:14:52] <@Lazz> open it
[21:15:12] <EvilsBane> k
[21:15:15] <EvilsBane> ooh, pretty.
[21:15:15] <@Lazz> do not edit it tho
[21:15:24] <TaxiStar> ok Evils call me
[21:15:32] <Espergrai> k
[21:15:41] <@Lazz> everyone got it?
[21:15:54] <EvilsBane> yes
[21:16:41] <@Lazz> ok
[21:16:51] <@Lazz> then render it if you havent
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[21:17:04] <Maxrpg> o ya
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[21:17:07] <Maxrpg> i forgot ha
[21:17:16] <PhantasyStar> call me
[21:17:18] <@Lazz> hey max... wb star
[21:17:32] <PhantasyStar> thx
[21:17:37] <@Lazz> should i start over
[21:17:49] <@Xepo> lazz, msgs
[21:17:59] <@Lazz> well... max and star get http://www.alltel.net/~rb64921/pov/file001.pov open and render
[21:18:13] <PhantasyStar> lol ok
[21:18:44] <@Lazz> you should see a red and blue checker pattern
[21:18:55] <PhantasyStar> ok hold on
[21:19:00] <PhantasyStar> i havnt even installed povray
[21:19:02] <PhantasyStar> sorry
[21:19:04] <EvilsBane> yes
[21:19:06] <@Lazz> -_-
[21:19:09] <EvilsBane> tee hee
[21:19:14] <flareonAtma> -_-
[21:19:33] * FlareonAtma mauls geocities for calling .pov a "invalid filetype"
[21:19:36] *** TaxiStar (~star@PPPa43-ResaleRoyalOak1-1R7224.dialinx.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[21:19:41] <@Lazz> lol
[21:19:49] <@Xepo> go on without star, i'llc atch him up once he gets back
[21:19:56] <Espergrai> everything's an invalid filetype on geocities
[21:20:04] <@Lazz> ok
[21:20:48] <PhantasyStar> whats the filename?
[21:20:50] <flareonAtma> (I never had invalid filetype errors before...)
[21:20:51] <PhantasyStar> HEAVEN7?
[21:20:57] *** Xepo changes topic to 'MSG Lazz, Atma, or Xepo if you have questions or statements'
[21:20:58] *** Xepo sets mode: +m
[21:21:05] <@Xepo> there, that'll make it more organized
[21:21:17] *** Xepo sets mode: +o FlareonAtma
[21:21:18] <@Lazz> ok looking at this scene... left and right is the x axis... up and down is the y axis... forward and back is the z axis
[21:22:21] <@Lazz> pov-ray is a 3d raytracer...what that means 
[21:22:22] <@Lazz> is that rather than just drawing polygons on the 
[21:22:22] <@Lazz> screen like normal graphical programs, it actually 
[21:22:22] <@Lazz> traces the light rays, bouncing them off the 
[21:22:22] <@Lazz> objects, and into the camera. this method creates 
[21:23:13] <@Lazz> the best possible graphics on computers.
[21:23:13] <@Lazz> look at http://www.alltel.net/~rb64921/pov/coordinates.gif for a better idea of the coordinate system
[21:23:49] <@Lazz> this is called the left handed system
[21:25:01] <@Lazz> when you start a scene... you always need a camera
[21:25:24] <@Lazz> this is declared on lines 1 through 3
[21:26:07] <@Lazz> everyone understand so far?
[21:26:13] *** Lazz sets mode: -m
[21:26:14] <Espergrai> Like we can respond.
[21:26:16] <Espergrai> Oh d=
[21:26:20] <@Lazz> lol
[21:26:21] <Maxrpg> Yeah
[21:26:22] <Espergrai> Yeah.
[21:26:24] <Maxrpg> I'm following it so far
[21:26:27] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[21:26:39] <EvilsBane> weoohoo
[21:26:42] <EvilsBane> I get it!!
[21:26:43] <Maxrpg> this is awesome
[21:26:52] <@Lazz> aiiight!
[21:26:52] <Maxrpg> school RULES EVILSBANE WHYD U DROP OUT LOOSER
[21:26:57] *** Lazz sets mode: +m
[21:27:01] <@Lazz> ok going on...
[21:27:32] <@Lazz> to add a camera
[21:27:38] <@Lazz> it needs to be declared
[21:27:49] <@Lazz> as i did in line 1
[21:28:03] <@Lazz> then it needs a location
[21:28:21] <@Lazz> the coordinates are given as <x, y, z>
[21:29:00] <@Lazz> for a basic camera... thats all you need for now
[21:29:18] <@Lazz> then you have to end the camera statement
[21:29:37] <@Lazz> with a } like in line 3
[21:30:03] <@Lazz> next we need a light source so we can see what we have in the scene
[21:30:37] <@Lazz> this happens to be a point light
[21:30:59] <@Xepo> one common mistake is leaving out a light source, you won't see anything in your scene if you do this...
[21:31:00] <@Lazz> you will not actually see the light but you can see its effects
[21:31:08] <@FlareonAtma> yup
[21:31:21] <@FlareonAtma> If there's no light source, everything looks black
[21:31:35] <@Lazz> yep
[21:32:46] <@Lazz> ok as you can see... the light source is defined in lines 5 through 8
[21:33:30] <@Lazz> <0,20,0>
[21:33:33] <@Lazz> that is the location of the light
[21:34:14] <@Lazz> it is 19 units directly above the camera
[21:34:46] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: -m
[21:34:50] <@FlareonAtma> You guys following this?
[21:34:53] <EvilsBane> question!
[21:34:56] <Espergrai> Yep
[21:35:00] <@Lazz> yeah?
[21:35:00] <@FlareonAtma> yes EB?
[21:35:01] <EvilsBane> How do you choose where the camera points?
[21:35:06] <EvilsBane> er
[21:35:06] <EvilsBane> light
[21:35:15] <PhantasyStar> i need to color my hair
[21:35:21] <PhantasyStar> i look like rodman!!!
[21:35:21] <@FlareonAtma> the light points in all directions
[21:35:24] <PhantasyStar> AHHHHH
[21:35:26] <@Lazz> the point light illuminates everything
[21:35:26] <Espergrai> haha, Star's like the preppy stuck-up girl in the class
[21:35:34] <PhantasyStar> I AM NOT
[21:35:37] <PhantasyStar> you commoner!!!
[21:35:38] <@FlareonAtma> It's like how the sun shines towards Earth, but in every other direction too.
[21:35:40] <Espergrai> lol
[21:35:42] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: +m
[21:35:51] <@Lazz> aiight
[21:35:54] * @FlareonAtma now knows why Xepo has +m
[21:35:55] <@FlareonAtma> Anyway
[21:36:04] <@FlareonAtma> there's also a way to make the camera look at a certain point
[21:36:09] <@Xepo> there are different types of lights, like lazz mentioned, spotlights point in one direction, but point lights point in all of them
[21:36:25] <@Lazz> the closer the light is to an object in a scene the less light it show on that object
[21:36:39] <@Xepo> lol, little mixed up?
[21:36:53] <@Lazz> wha?
[21:36:54] <@FlareonAtma> Basically, you use the look_at command.
[21:36:56] <@FlareonAtma> For example:
[21:36:58] <@FlareonAtma> camera {
[21:36:58] <@FlareonAtma>   location <0,0,-4>
[21:36:58] <@FlareonAtma>   look_at <0,0,0>
[21:36:58] <@FlareonAtma> }
[21:37:10] <@Lazz> woah where did that come from?
[21:37:19] <@FlareonAtma> That has the camera four units behind the origin (in otherwords, about where your nose is)
[21:37:24] <@Lazz> heh i would have gotten to that
[21:37:27] <@FlareonAtma> and pointing towards the origin (into the screen)
[21:37:37] <@FlareonAtma> Okay, continue
[21:38:02] <@Lazz> ok thanx for that atma
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[21:38:24] <@Xepo> anyway, lazz was obviously a little mixed up, the closer a light is to an object, the brighter the object appears...but it takes some extra attributes on the light to make that effect work correctly, so we may cover it later
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[21:38:56] <@Lazz> not the point light tho
[21:39:21] <@Lazz> well...
[21:39:23] <@Xepo> well, you go ahead, maybe i'm rusty =P
[21:39:32] <@Lazz> hehe ok
[21:39:56] <@Lazz> line 7   color rgb <1,1,1>
[21:40:20] <@Lazz> the next line after the location of the light source
[21:40:37] <@Lazz> this declares what color the light should be
[21:41:23] <@Lazz> this is white
[21:41:44] <@Lazz> the numbers in the angle brackets tell what color it is
[21:42:11] <@Lazz> ok hold on
[21:42:34] <@FlareonAtma> the 1 means 1.0*maximum brightness
[21:42:43] <@Lazz> im gonna get some people caught up ok
[21:42:51] <@FlareonAtma> If you wanted a darker light, you'd do <.7,.7,.7> or so, which is only 70% brightnedss
[21:42:54] <@FlareonAtma> okay Lazz
[21:43:07] *** Lazz sets mode: +v Maxrpg
[21:43:20] <+Maxrpg> Uh...
[21:43:25] <+Maxrpg> Teacher, is white usually clear?
[21:43:33] <@FlareonAtma> no
[21:43:40] <@FlareonAtma> well
[21:43:48] <@FlareonAtma> white is colorless light
[21:43:49] <@FlareonAtma> like most lamps do
[21:43:59] <@Lazz> ok
[21:44:03] <+Maxrpg> Ah, I get it.
[21:44:03] <+Maxrpg> Thanks.
[21:44:07] <@FlareonAtma> If, for example, you want a blue light
[21:44:09] <@FlareonAtma> then do <0,0,1>
[21:44:09] <@Lazz> cool
[21:44:15] <@Lazz> the numbers in the angle brackets tell what color it is
[21:44:25] <@Xepo> more of flourescent lights are white, if you actually look at the light put off by lamps, they look yellow..
[21:44:29] <@Lazz> the order is <red, green, blue>
[21:44:41] <@Xepo> this is an example of a yellow light
[21:44:54] <@FlareonAtma> If you've played around with colors in MS Paint or HTML, this should be kinda familiar
[21:45:09] *** Lazz sets mode: -v Maxrpg
[21:45:20] <@FlareonAtma> <1,1,1> is the equivalent of paint program's 255,255,255 and HTML's #FFFFFF
[21:45:30] *** Lazz sets mode: +v EvilsBane
[21:45:31] <+EvilsBane> Hey
[21:45:36] <@Xepo> one other word of advice, never specify a color value greater than 1.0, that can defeat lighting in the scene, and defeat the purpose of pov-ray
[21:45:37] <@Lazz> hey
[21:45:52] <+EvilsBane> So if all three numbers are the same, it's white light, but *max brightness?
[21:46:06] <@Lazz> no it is not max brightness
[21:46:12] <+EvilsBane> oh.
[21:46:15] <@FlareonAtma> If all three numbers are the same, it's either white or a shade of gray
[21:46:16] <@Xepo> ignore the *max brightness for now, it's another attribute of light source and will just confuse you
[21:46:23] <+EvilsBane> Ok!
[21:46:27] <+EvilsBane> So if they're all the same,
[21:46:35] <+EvilsBane> It's just a different shade of white light? :P
[21:46:49] <@FlareonAtma> yah
[21:47:00] <@Lazz> yeah
[21:47:18] <@Xepo> <0,0,0> is black, <0.8,0.8,0.8> would be a light gray, <0.3,0.3,0.3> would be a dark gray
[21:47:19] <@FlareonAtma> If you have low-quality venetian blinds (like my house) they don't block all the light
[21:47:41] <@FlareonAtma> Light still gets in, and it's still the same color, just not as bright.
[21:47:46] *** Lazz sets mode: -v EvilsBane
[21:48:07] *** Lazz sets mode: +v EvilsBane
[21:48:11] <+EvilsBane> What about 5,5,5
[21:48:18] <@Xepo> evils, heed my warning above :)
[21:48:21] <@Lazz> that would be too bright
[21:48:24] <@Lazz> it would frag your scene
[21:48:25] <@Xepo> one other word of advice, never specify a color value greater than 1.0, that can defeat lighting in the scene, and defeat the purpose of pov-ray
[21:48:33] <+EvilsBane> ok
[21:48:50] <@Xepo> there are other ways to make a light source appear brighter, but making the color values higher than 1.0 is not the right way to do it
[21:49:06] <+EvilsBane> Ok, thx xepop ur the beast!!!
[21:49:09] <+EvilsBane> bets i ment
[21:49:10] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[21:49:16] <@Lazz> lol
[21:49:31] <@Lazz> everything understood?
[21:49:40] <+EvilsBane> Yep, hauntingly well!
[21:49:44] <@Lazz> cool
[21:49:51] *** Lazz sets mode: -v EvilsBane
[21:50:08] * @Lazz dosent like the fact kick is right next to devoice
[21:50:23] <@Lazz> if i accidentally kick someone you know why now
[21:50:48] <@Lazz> ok
[21:51:02] <@FlareonAtma> anyway, continue...
[21:51:09] <@Lazz> then next line, line 8, closes the light source statement
[21:51:27] <@FlareonAtma> oh yes
[21:51:33] <@FlareonAtma> for every { you need a }
[21:51:56] <@FlareonAtma> Having a { without a } is like trying to solve a math equation where there are more left parenthesis than right parenthesis
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[21:51:59] <@FlareonAtma> Hi
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[21:53:27] <@Xepo> ah, getting disc'd sucks
[21:53:27] -astro.ga.us.dal.net:@#kvu-teach- FlareonAtma invited Lazz- into channel #kvu-teach.
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[21:53:28] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: +o Lazz-
[21:53:33] <@Lazz-> thanx
[21:53:35] <@FlareonAtma> yah
[21:53:39] <@Lazz-> lol yeah it does
[21:53:45] <@Lazz-> what was the last thing i said?
[21:53:55] <@Xepo> [21:51:09] <@Lazz> then next line, line 8, closes the light source statement
[21:54:04] <@Lazz-> -_-
[21:54:04] <@Lazz-> ok
[21:54:21] <@Lazz-> next lines 10 through 15 declare a plane
[21:55:05] <@Lazz-> a plane extends indefinitaly <sp?> in one dimension
[21:55:17] <@FlareonAtma> "indefinitely"
[21:55:25] <@Lazz-> hehe yeah that
[21:56:07] <@Lazz-> <0,1,0>, 0    this is a different kind of placement thing
[21:56:12] <@Xepo> actually, if ya wanna be technical, it's two dimensions, but you specify which two by saying an axis which it should be perpindicular to
[21:56:19] *** Lazz- sets mode: +v PhantasyStar
[21:56:19] <@Xepo> ok, another spelling mistake
[21:56:29] <+PhantasyStar> thanks
[21:56:31] <@FlareonAtma> yup
[21:56:34] <+PhantasyStar> GET NO NM too see meeeee
[21:56:43] <@Lazz-> 2 dimensions lol thatrs what i meant
[21:56:46] <+PhantasyStar> i mean GET NO
[21:56:52] <+PhantasyStar> haha\
[21:56:53] <@FlareonAtma> YOU MEAN "GET ON"
[21:56:55] <@FlareonAtma> damn caps
[21:56:59] * +PhantasyStar is with mariel!
[21:57:03] <+PhantasyStar> yeh i know
[21:57:09] <@FlareonAtma> Star did you have a question?
[21:57:13] <@Lazz-> is that it star?
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[21:57:31] *** Lazz is now known as Lazz-
[21:57:49] <@Xepo> star?
[21:58:04] <+PhantasyStar> yes
[21:58:09] <+PhantasyStar> what do i do with this darn thing
[21:58:14] <+PhantasyStar> i dontr get it
[21:58:16] * @FlareonAtma ominously reches for the pile of detention slips... hehe j/k
[21:58:21] <+PhantasyStar> all those line just for a checkerboard
[21:58:23] <@Lazz-> lol
[21:58:25] <@Xepo> ok, lets have a question session =P
[21:58:26] <+PhantasyStar> and no motion!
[21:58:26] <@Lazz-> star
[21:58:27] <+PhantasyStar> LOL
[21:58:30] <@Lazz-> povray is an art
[21:58:42] <+PhantasyStar> heya Juli are you a teecher or a lerner?
[21:58:43] <@Lazz-> you dont get good overnight
[21:58:52] <@Lazz-> and it takes work
[21:58:58] <@FlareonAtma> Star: Leonardo Da Vinci spoent a long time painting the Mona Lisa just to have a pic of a girl smiling. Your point?
[21:59:08] <@Xepo> ok, unmoderating, question asking time!
[21:59:10] *** Xepo sets mode: -m
[21:59:14] * EvilsBane pulls a high-powered rifle out of his trenchcoat and unloads 2 rounds into atma's temple...
[21:59:14] <@Xepo> heheh
[21:59:16] * Espergrai pulls the triggers on his dual uzis, sending a spray of bullets into Star's body, watching as Star's blood splashes against the blackboard and all over the floor, his life ceasing instantly.. Prep Bitch!
[21:59:26] <EvilsBane> yeeeeah
[21:59:27] * @FlareonAtma is a teacher and therefore invincible
[21:59:28] * Maxrpg loads up his Glock and fires big bullet holes in Lazz's head
[21:59:28] <@Lazz-> um...
[21:59:37] * EvilsBane shoots xepo down where he stands
[21:59:38] <@Xepo> ok, that's enough with the violence
[21:59:40] <@Lazz-> ow
[21:59:43] <+PhantasyStar> aww mariellee talks all cuuuute
[21:59:57] * @FlareonAtma 's temple reflects the bullets into EB's groing
[21:59:57] <Maxrpg> star shh
[22:00:01] <@Lazz-> +m +m!!
[22:00:01] <+PhantasyStar> i know
[22:00:01] <Maxrpg> I don't have any questions, just one
[22:00:01] * @FlareonAtma hands EB a detention slip for tryinjg to kill a teacher
[22:00:01] <+PhantasyStar> im a bad stusdent
[22:00:01] * Espergrai stabs Lazz repeatedly
[22:00:06] <EvilsBane> :/
[22:00:07] <+PhantasyStar> lol sorry
[22:00:08] <EvilsBane> Sorry sir.
[22:00:08] * Espergrai also stabs Star, slitting his throat
[22:00:11] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: +m
[22:00:13] *** Lazz- sets mode: +m
[22:00:15] *** Lazz- sets mode: -v PhantasyStar
[22:00:16] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: -v PhantasyStar
[22:00:19] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: +v Maxrpg
[22:00:23] <@Lazz-> lol
[22:00:26] <@Lazz-> ok that was intresting
[22:00:27] <+Maxrpg> Can you sign this pass so I can go get some food from the vending machines?
[22:00:33] <@Xepo> lol
[22:00:37] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: -v Maxrpg
[22:00:38] <@Lazz-> everyone has to stay after 30 min now!
[22:00:39] <@FlareonAtma> sure
[22:00:42] * @FlareonAtma takes a pin
[22:00:47] * @FlareonAtma stabs Max's finger
[22:00:52] * @FlareonAtma signs it with max's blood
[22:00:54] <@FlareonAtma> All done!
[22:01:00] <@Lazz-> ok
[22:01:02] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: +v Espergrai
[22:01:06] * +Espergrai kicks Star repeatedly in the side
[22:01:08] <+Espergrai> :D~~
[22:01:08] <@FlareonAtma> Ceaser, you have a question?
[22:01:11] <@FlareonAtma> ....
[22:01:14] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: -v Espergrai
[22:01:25] <@Lazz-> damnit! save it for #kvs
[22:01:35] <@Lazz-> ok
[22:01:39] <@Lazz-> back to pov
[22:01:42] <@Xepo> ok, if you all keep doing that we're gunna stop asking for questions...
[22:02:20] <@Lazz-> <0,1,0>, 0    this is a different kind of placement thing
[22:03:14] <@Lazz-> this tells pov to put the plane in the y axis <0,1,0> and place at 0 along that axis
[22:03:31] <@FlareonAtma> perpendicular to the y-axis, actually...
[22:03:49] <@Lazz-> yes perpendicular
[22:04:25] <@Lazz-> line 12 adds color
[22:04:32] <@Lazz-> with the pigment statement
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[22:05:16] <@FlareonAtma> hi YG, you missed most of the event...
[22:06:05] <@Lazz-> ok hold on all
[22:06:16] <@Xepo> we're gunna do a little change of pace =P
[22:07:06] <@FlareonAtma> yup
[22:07:10] <@FlareonAtma> you people are acting bored
[22:07:25] <@FlareonAtma> So we'll get some interactive stuff to do
[22:08:16] <@FlareonAtma> ] -Espergrai- WE CAN'T ACT LIKE ANYTHING! YOU HAVE IT MODERATED!
[22:08:20] <@Xepo> lol
[22:08:34] <@FlareonAtma> But, you preople WERE "asking questions" when you really wanted to slap others
[22:08:37] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: -m
[22:08:42] <EvilsBane> Line 11 is very confusing.
[22:08:47] <PhantasyStar> dang
[22:08:47] <PhantasyStar> how do i show ceaser me also???
[22:08:47] <PhantasyStar> hmmmm
[22:08:51] <Espergrai> star
[22:08:54] <Espergrai> you can't
[22:08:54] <@FlareonAtma> But we'll try unmodded... but PLEASE din't try to be idiots...
[22:08:55] <PhantasyStar> ?
[22:08:57] <Espergrai> it's a limitation of NM
[22:09:01] <Maxrpg> Evils, ask Lazz to tell you how
[22:09:07] <PhantasyStar> lazz and evils could both see me
[22:09:14] <Maxrpg> He just told me how and I get it
[22:09:22] <PhantasyStar> or so they said
[22:09:39] <EvilsBane> Lazz,
[22:09:40] <EvilsBane> Tell me how.
[22:09:41] <Espergrai> really?
[22:09:53] <Espergrai> hmm..
[22:09:54] <@FlareonAtma> yah
[22:09:55] <@FlareonAtma> line 11 CAN be confusing
[22:10:01] <@Lazz-> eb: what do you need?
[22:10:07] <Maxrpg> brb
[22:10:07] <EvilsBane> Line 11
[22:10:12] <YoshiGeno> Damnit
[22:10:13] <@Xepo> lazz is busy =P
[22:10:14] <EvilsBane> It's the only line that is like hard
[22:10:16] <@Xepo> almost prepared lazz/
[22:10:18] <@Lazz-> ok
[22:10:18] <PhantasyStar> damn i guess marile will want to watch me sit here all day
[22:10:28] <@FlareonAtma> Imagine you took a piece of cardboard and glued a pencil to it so the pencil is perpendicular to the cardboard
[22:10:30] <@Lazz-> <0,1,0>, 0
[22:10:30] <PhantasyStar> so you will se later ceaser
[22:10:37] <Espergrai> okay
[22:10:39] <EvilsBane> uh
[22:10:52] <@FlareonAtma> And then you defined which way the cardboard is roatated by which way the pencil is pointing
[22:10:54] <@Lazz-> the 1 defines it as perpendicular to the y axis
[22:10:59] <@FlareonAtma> That's kind of how this works
[22:11:17] <@Xepo> wow atma, that's a good explanation for it
[22:11:19] <@FlareonAtma> There's sanother way to define planes, however, if you're confusinbg
[22:11:23] <@FlareonAtma> err
[22:11:24] <@FlareonAtma> confyused
[22:11:25] <PhantasyStar> man
[22:11:29] <@Lazz-> <0,1,0>, 0 this tells it where perpendicular to the y axis
[22:11:31] <YoshiGeno> Confused
[22:11:31] <PhantasyStar> i cant learn and do NM at once
[22:11:35] <PhantasyStar> besides 
[22:11:40] <PhantasyStar> i need to paint my fingers
[22:11:43] <@FlareonAtma> just do "y, 0"
[22:11:46] <PhantasyStar> heh
[22:11:50] <Espergrai> lol
[22:11:55] <PhantasyStar> learning is streessing me out
[22:12:02] <@FlareonAtma> That'll set it perpendicular to the y-axis, crossing where y = 0
[22:12:02] <PhantasyStar> i need fresh air
[22:12:09] <@FlareonAtma> Or, for example, "z,5"
[22:12:25] <@FlareonAtma> that's perpendicular to z axis (in other words, parallel to the screen), five units back.
[22:13:08] <PhantasyStar> hmm
[22:13:15] <PhantasyStar> its nice to have a voice thx
[22:13:46] <@FlareonAtma> okay... try changing the line to <0,0,1>, 1
[22:13:54] <EvilsBane> Ok i'll always make it 0,1,0 :P
[22:14:02] <@FlareonAtma> that'll have the plane perpendicular to the z-axis instead
[22:14:14] <PhantasyStar> ...
[22:14:14] <@FlareonAtma> And one-unit back
[22:14:35] <EvilsBane> wait
[22:14:38] <@Lazz-> you mean forward?
[22:14:38] <@FlareonAtma> wait?
[22:14:41] <@FlareonAtma> err yeah
[22:14:43] <@FlareonAtma> one unit forward
[22:14:53] <EvilsBane> Does the <0, 1, 0> mean that the plane is on the y axis?
[22:14:54] <@Xepo> heheh, are you all following that?
[22:14:55] <PhantasyStar> hehee mariels mom talked to me
[22:14:56] <EvilsBane> and the 0 means what?
[22:15:01] <PhantasyStar> oh wait
[22:15:02] <@Lazz-> eb yeah
[22:15:03] <@FlareonAtma> EB it means it's perpendicular to the y-axis
[22:15:05] <PhantasyStar> im OFF TOPIC
[22:15:09] <PhantasyStar> OMH DEAR
[22:15:13] <Maxrpg> lol
[22:15:14] <@Xepo> EB, the 0 is how far along the y axis it is
[22:15:30] <PhantasyStar> hmm
[22:15:30] * Maxrpg returns from the CAFETERIA WITH TODAY'S LUNCH: Lasagna
[22:15:48] <EvilsBane> lol
[22:15:49] <EvilsBane> so,
[22:15:57] <EvilsBane> <1, 0, 0> 5
[22:16:03] <EvilsBane> means the plane is um, 5 units along the x axis?
[22:16:10] <@Xepo> yep
[22:16:11] <@FlareonAtma> <0,1,0> means that for every 1 unit the perpendicular goes in the y-direction, it goes 0 units in the x and z directions.
[22:16:13] <@FlareonAtma> yup
[22:16:14] <@Lazz-> YEAH!
[22:16:21] <Maxrpg> rox
[22:16:24] <Maxrpg> I get that
[22:16:28] <EvilsBane> what about,
[22:16:30] <Espergrai> lol
[22:16:33] <@FlareonAtma> that means perpendicular to the x-axis, ifve units over
[22:16:34] <EvilsBane> <2, 67, 2>
[22:16:35] <EvilsBane> lol
[22:16:40] <@FlareonAtma> Have any of you studied normals in math?
[22:16:46] <EvilsBane> not mE :D
[22:16:48] <Amy|blue|> normal?
[22:16:52] <@Lazz-> nope
[22:16:59] <@FlareonAtma> didn't think so... oh well
[22:17:00] <@Xepo> atma, i haven't either =P
[22:17:02] <Amy|blue|> what is it
[22:17:11] <@Xepo> lets not go into a math lesson
[22:17:11] <PhantasyStar> lol
[22:17:17] <Amy|blue|> hey
[22:17:19] <PhantasyStar> the oppisit eof abnormal
[22:17:21] <Amy|blue|> I wanna know heh
[22:17:28] <@FlareonAtma> basically, a normal is a line perpendicular to a plane
[22:17:36] <Amy|blue|> oh
[22:17:36] <PhantasyStar> cool!
[22:17:41] <PhantasyStar> i know what that is
[22:17:45] <@FlareonAtma> so the <0,1,0> means a plabe with a normal of <0,1,0> :p
[22:17:47] <PhantasyStar> its perpendicular to the plane
[22:18:06] <Amy|blue|> so it intersects the plane at one point?
[22:18:06] <PhantasyStar> hmm
[22:18:09] <PhantasyStar> ?
[22:18:10] <Amy|blue|> at a 90 degree angle?
[22:18:11] <PhantasyStar> i wondered
[22:18:13] <@FlareonAtma> Juli yup
[22:18:15] <PhantasyStar> that too
[22:18:16] <Amy|blue|> alright
[22:18:25] <PhantasyStar> OH
[22:18:26] <@Lazz-> everything clear?
[22:18:26] <PhantasyStar> ok
[22:18:27] <PhantasyStar> but
[22:18:29] <Maxrpg> ya
[22:18:31] <Maxrpg> moderate it
[22:18:34] <PhantasyStar> that wont help with a 3D thingy!
[22:18:35] <Maxrpg> continue witht the lesson
[22:18:42] <@Lazz-> youll get it star
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[22:19:14] <@Lazz-> next you have to give the plane color else it will be black
[22:20:19] <@Lazz-> with the pigment statement
[22:20:46] <@Lazz-> in this case i used a checker pattern
[22:20:52] <@FlareonAtma> brb
[22:21:57] <@FlareonAtma> back
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[22:22:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Lazz
[22:22:35] <@FlareonAtma> wb
[22:22:40] <@Lazz> GAAAH!
[22:22:42] <@Lazz> thanx
[22:22:43] <@FlareonAtma> yes
[22:22:44] <@Lazz> <09@Lazz-> next you have to give the plane color else it will be black
[22:22:47] <@FlareonAtma> gaaaah indeed
[22:22:53] <@Lazz> <09@Lazz-> with the pigment statement
[22:22:53] <@Lazz> <09@Lazz-> in this case i used a checker pattern
[22:22:53] <@Lazz> <09@FlareonAtma> brb
[22:22:53] <@Lazz> <09@Lazz-> after the checker statement you need to define 2 colors
[22:22:53] <@Lazz> <09@Lazz-> and you can see how i did that
[22:23:10] <@Lazz> just like the ligfht source
[22:23:16] <@Lazz> light
[22:23:30] <@FlareonAtma> One thing you should notice3
[22:23:45] <@FlareonAtma> in the pigment, you're not defining the color an object will look like in the finished version
[22:23:50] <@FlareonAtma> you're defining the color it actually is.
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[22:24:30] <@FlareonAtma> Even if something is defined as white, if it's in a shadow it could wind up appearing a dark gray or even black.
[22:24:48] <@Xepo> uh, that was weird, he quit then left..
[22:24:49] <@Lazz> yeah
[22:24:53] <@FlareonAtma> yah
[22:25:05] <@Lazz> woah i see that now
[22:25:21] <@FlareonAtma> Anyway, lazz, continue
[22:25:34] <@Lazz> ok
[22:25:44] *** Lazz sets mode: -m
[22:25:44] <@Lazz> everyone get that?
[22:25:49] <PhantasyStar> cool
[22:25:50] <PhantasyStar> bout time
[22:25:53] <PhantasyStar> lol j/k
[22:25:54] <@Xepo> questions questions questions..hehe
[22:26:05] <Maxrpg> Yes
[22:26:06] <PhantasyStar> well
[22:26:10] <Maxrpg> What the fuck was that, though?
[22:26:10] <PhantasyStar> i just need a tutor
[22:26:17] <Maxrpg> How could Targen quit, THEN leave?
[22:26:18] <PhantasyStar> LAzz tutor me
[22:26:21] <@Lazz> wha max?
[22:26:23] <PhantasyStar> LOL
[22:26:23] <@FlareonAtma> Max: IRC glitch
[22:26:23] <@Xepo> max, who knows..
[22:26:27] <PhantasyStar> liek this
[22:26:27] <@Lazz> oh
[22:26:31] <@Lazz> i will star after this class
[22:26:33] <@FlareonAtma> you know one of Tarin's nicks is IRC_Glitch
[22:26:38] <Maxrpg> lol
[22:26:38] <@FlareonAtma> well he was living up to his name.
[22:26:38] * PhantasyStar quits: YI
[22:26:41] * PhantasyStar Leaves
[22:26:43] <PhantasyStar> there
[22:26:44] <PhantasyStar> see?
[22:26:45] <@Xepo> lol
[22:26:49] <PhantasyStar> lol
[22:26:50] <Maxrpg> lol
[22:26:51] <@FlareonAtma> Anyway
[22:26:58] <@FlareonAtma> Anyone have any povray questions?
[22:27:00] <@Lazz> im assuming everything is understood
[22:27:11] * Maxrpg loudly chews while eating lasagna
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[22:27:12] <Maxrpg> nope!
[22:27:14] <Maxrpg> Wait
[22:27:19] <@FlareonAtma> hi AL
[22:27:20] <@Lazz> wha?
[22:27:22] <@FlareonAtma> Yes, Max?
[22:27:30] <Maxrpg> When will we learn how to make objects?
[22:27:33] <Maxrpg> like a Jigglypuff?
[22:27:36] <@Xepo> max, in justa minute
[22:27:40] <@FlareonAtma> yah
[22:27:50] <@Lazz> were going on?
[22:27:53] <Maxrpg> cool
[22:27:55] <@FlareonAtma> You already learn ed how to make a plane
[22:27:56] <Maxrpg> Xepo - Deadn
[22:27:59] <Maxrpg> Xepo - Dean
[22:27:59] <@FlareonAtma> Other objects are similar
[22:28:03] <@Xepo> huh?
[22:28:08] <@FlareonAtma> except defining the position is a bit different
[22:28:17] <Maxrpg> xepo's the dean of KVU!
[22:28:23] <@Xepo> heh
[22:28:26] <@Lazz> im gonna go into more camera stuff if thats ok?
[22:28:39] <@Xepo> as long as it's fun lazz, change something =P
[22:28:45] <@Lazz> yeah
[22:28:46] <@FlareonAtma> Well, I was gonna go no to the next example file, but...
[22:28:50] <@Lazz> this is interactive
[22:29:04] <@Lazz> this will be short
[22:29:18] <PhantasyStar> COOL IM GETTIN AN ANGEL
[22:29:26] <PhantasyStar> drawn for meeeeee
[22:29:31] <PhantasyStar> Juli
[22:29:35] <@Xepo> btw, the lesson will end in 30 minutes
[22:29:35] <Maxrpg> moderate!
[22:29:38] <PhantasyStar> do you still have star?
[22:29:40] *** FlareonAtma sets mode: +m
[22:30:15] <@Lazz> ok
[22:30:35] <@Lazz> were gonna add some stuff
[22:30:58] <@Xepo> ok, just so you all know, we're going to do some camera stuff now, then in a bit we'll get on to adding in other objects, then if we have time, we'll go on to texturing
[22:31:27] <@FlareonAtma> Remember, if you have any questions or comments (including "speed it up, I'm dying of boredem!!!") just /notice an op.
[22:31:28] <@Lazz> camera {  
[22:31:28] <@Lazz>    location <0,1,0> 
[22:31:28] <@Lazz>    look_at <0,0,1>
[22:31:28] <@Lazz> }
[22:32:11] <@Lazz> if youd all add that hilighted line between lines 2 and 3... we can do some camera stuff
[22:32:57] <@Lazz> msg me is you dont have that
[22:33:03] <@Lazz> is - if
[22:33:44] <@Lazz> ok
[22:34:15] <@Lazz> lets take the camera up to where the light is
[22:34:33] <@Lazz> at <0,20,0>
[22:35:01] <@Lazz> then look_at <0,0,0>
[22:35:12] <@Lazz> then render
[22:35:52] *** Lazz sets mode: -m
[22:35:58] <@Lazz> what happened to the scene?
[22:36:34] <Maxrpg> It's a Wall!
[22:36:39] <@Lazz> im looking for input from you all here
[22:36:41] <EvilsBane> wooh!! a wall!
[22:36:50] <Maxrpg> and endless wall
[22:36:54] <EvilsBane> Cool.
[22:36:59] <@Lazz> well... kind of
[22:37:11] <@Lazz> we are actually looking down at the floor now
[22:37:21] <Maxrpg> I'm not
[22:37:30] <@Lazz> max: ?
[22:37:33] <Maxrpg> I'm on the floor, like I just had a seizure
[22:37:37] <@FlareonAtma> lol'
[22:37:40] <PhantasyStar> ...
[22:37:53] <@Lazz> lol
[22:37:54] <Maxrpg> with my head parallel to the floor
[22:38:01] <@Lazz> ok
[22:38:05] <@FlareonAtma> Stand uop, and look down at your monitor from above, for a moment.
[22:38:08] <Maxrpg> red and blue going this way --------------->
[22:38:12] <@FlareonAtma> That's the viewpoint you have right now.
[22:38:25] <PhantasyStar> ...
[22:38:32] <PhantasyStar> im not in a lerning mood
[22:38:39] <PhantasyStar> im gonna paint my fingerz k
[22:38:44] <EvilsBane> We do have special ed kvu
[22:38:47] <EvilsBane> lololol j/k
[22:38:47] * PhantasyStar takes a break
[22:38:49] <PhantasyStar> sweet
[22:38:50] <@Lazz> you didnt get it max?
[22:39:02] <Maxrpg> nope
[22:39:18] <@Lazz> camera {            // declares camera                                          // line 1
[22:39:18] <@Lazz>    location <0,20,0> // gives it a position in space                             // line 2
[22:39:18] <@Lazz>    look_at <0,0,0>
[22:39:18] <@Lazz> }                   // end camera                                               // line 3
[22:39:24] <@Lazz> -_-
[22:39:44] <@Lazz> camera {             // declares camera
[22:39:45] <@Lazz>    location <0,20,0> // gives it a position in space
[22:39:45] <@Lazz>    look_at <0,0,0>
[22:39:45] <@Lazz> }                   // end camera
[22:39:50] <Maxrpg> AH I SEE IT NOW
[22:39:53] <@Lazz> there
[22:39:55] <@Lazz> is that what you have max?
[22:39:56] <@Xepo> lol
[22:39:59] <Maxrpg> EvilsBane and Ceaser are talking about making other planes and shit
[22:40:04] <@Lazz> what was wrong?
[22:40:05] * @FlareonAtma plays a blaring midi on the KVU PA system to wake people up
[22:40:09] <Maxrpg> and fucking up my file trying them out
[22:40:09] <Espergrai> lol
[22:40:12] <Espergrai> hey
[22:40:14] <@Xepo> uh, where're they talking about that at?
[22:40:15] <Espergrai> you accepted the files
[22:40:15] [@FlareonAtma SOUND]
[22:40:15] <@FlareonAtma> Now Playing:4 shad4rm.mid
[22:40:17] <Espergrai> looser
[22:40:17] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[22:40:20] <Espergrai> ..nowhere Xepo
[22:40:23] <Espergrai> you go back to teaching
[22:40:24] <@Xepo> oh, ok
[22:40:26] <@Xepo> heheh
[22:40:27] <Maxrpg> in MESSAGES
[22:40:27] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[22:40:36] <@Xepo> i was just wantin to watch! hehe
[22:40:49] * @FlareonAtma always has more detention slips...
[22:41:20] <Maxrpg> What's KVU Detention atma? spend all day with your muk?
[22:41:34] <@Xepo> muk?
[22:41:42] <@Lazz> ok... now change look_at to <0,0,10>
[22:41:57] <@Lazz> and you get a cool perspective thing
[22:41:58] <Maxrpg> yes teacher
[22:42:02] <@Lazz> kinda
[22:42:05] <Maxrpg> Cool, it's like I'm pulling my head up slowly
[22:42:11] <Maxrpg> from looking down at the floor
[22:42:14] <@Lazz> hehe
[22:42:26] <@Lazz> thats it for me
[22:42:35] <Maxrpg> COOLX IM GETTING ALL THISZZ
[22:42:38] <Maxrpg> moderate!
[22:42:38] <PhantasyStar> left hand basecoat done!
[22:42:45] <PhantasyStar> this lerning stuff is hard
[22:42:45] *** Lazz sets mode: +m
[22:42:47] <@Lazz> atma
[22:42:51] <@Lazz> over to you
[22:42:54] <@FlareonAtma> you mean Xepo
[22:43:00] <@Xepo> hehe
[22:43:00] <@FlareonAtma> he wants to do basic objects
[22:43:01] <@Xepo> yea
[22:43:07] <@Xepo> ok, we're gunna move on to basic objects
[22:43:18] <@Xepo> and i'm teachin for a change of pace and a faster typing speed(hopefully) =P
[22:43:21] <@Lazz> oh yeah zeep
[22:43:30] * @Xepo pokes lazz
[22:43:32] <@Xepo> rhahaha
[22:43:34] * @FlareonAtma will be delkayed to next week thanks to an hour and forty minutes of adding single-digit numbers! (hehe inside joke of the teaching staff)
[22:43:35] <@Lazz> hehe yeah sorry that was so slow
[22:43:40] <@Xepo> anyway, basic objects
[22:43:45] *** Xepo sets mode: -m
[22:43:47] <@Lazz> lol
[22:43:47] <EvilsBane> hi
[22:43:53] <@Xepo> whada you all wanna learn first, spheres, cylinders, or cones?
[22:43:58] <EvilsBane> oh yeah I still don't get line 11 but that's ok cuz i'm just playing with it now
[22:44:02] <Maxrpg> whatever's easiest
[22:44:02] <@Xepo> i think spheres look nifty
[22:44:03] <EvilsBane> sphere
[22:44:13] <@FlareonAtma> spheres are fun
[22:44:18] <@Xepo> ok, guess we'll do spheres then...=P
[22:44:24] <Maxrpg> moderate!
[22:44:27] <@Xepo> uh, ok
[22:44:30] *** Xepo sets mode: +m
[22:44:38] * @Lazz watches
[22:45:04] <@Xepo> change the camera location to <0,2,-10>
[22:45:13] <@Xepo> (me and lazz have different preferences :)
[22:45:35] <@Lazz> hehe
[22:45:46] <@FlareonAtma> And looking at where?
[22:45:50] <@Xepo> i assume you all know how to do that by now, feel free to message me at any time if ya have questions on anything
[22:45:59] <@Xepo> looking at <0,2,0>
[22:46:15] <@Xepo> or just want me to go in more detail...or maybe to shut up so you can think =P
[22:46:27] <@Xepo> ok, now
[22:46:41] <@Xepo> add this line at the bottom of the file
[22:46:42] <@Xepo> sphere {
[22:47:01] *** Xepo sets mode: -m
[22:47:07] <@Xepo> ok, i gotta leave this unmoderated =P
[22:47:18] <Maxrpg> why?
[22:47:19] <@Xepo> where do you all think the sphere should be to make it visible?
[22:47:31] <Maxrpg> in the middle of the screen?
[22:47:40] <@Xepo> just try not to talk except when i need input :)
[22:47:47] <@Xepo> heheh, ok, but what coordinates?
[22:47:49] <PhantasyStar> ...
[22:47:59] <Maxrpg> like, <0,0,20>
[22:48:14] <@Xepo> anyone else have an idea?
[22:48:14] <PhantasyStar> yeh leVE IT
[22:48:17] <PhantasyStar> oops caps
[22:48:22] <AgentLink> Mmm...
[22:48:36] <@Xepo> come on, gimme some input
[22:48:42] <Maxrpg> maybe it should go farther back than the light source..
[22:48:44] <@Xepo> this isn't a dictatorship =P
[22:48:57] * AgentLink psychically fondles the copy of the Chrono Trigger OST he'll soon be recieving
[22:49:02] <@Xepo> actually max, that is further back than the light source
[22:49:10] <@Xepo> AL, try to stay on topic
[22:49:14] <Maxrpg> AL, only on-topic
[22:49:21] * @FlareonAtma psychically fondles the detention slip AL'll soon be receiving...
[22:49:23] <@Xepo> ok, well, don't join in EB....
[22:49:28] <EvilsBane> ok
[22:49:35] <Maxrpg> ya
[22:49:36] <@Xepo> oh whoa! you're awake
[22:49:37] <Maxrpg> you shy fellow
[22:49:40] <@Xepo> whada you think EB?
[22:49:41] <EvilsBane> ya
[22:49:45] <EvilsBane> I'm trying to get the original file
[22:50:03] <EvilsBane> I think it should be at uh, 0, 5, 0
[22:50:04] <EvilsBane> lol
[22:50:09] <Maxrpg> EB and ceaser have screwed around so much with the file they haven't caught up -_-
[22:50:11] <@Xepo> determining where you want to place things, and figuring out the best coordinates quickly is one of the major tasks in pov-ray
[22:50:13] <@Xepo> lol
[22:50:17] <Espergrai> uhh
[22:50:21] <Espergrai> hey
[22:50:21] <@Xepo> EB, just redownload it
[22:50:21] <Espergrai> I know spheres already
[22:50:23] <@Xepo> you too ceaser
[22:50:24] <Espergrai> shut up
[22:50:26] <AgentLink> Perhaps that should be my first Pov-Ray project. Rendering the box(es) of the CDs with little barely-visible tendrils reaching towards them. That'd be quite nice.
[22:50:27] <@Xepo> lol
[22:50:31] <@Xepo> ...
[22:50:34] <@Xepo> anyway
[22:50:40] <@FlareonAtma> Okay Ceaser
[22:50:41] <@Xepo> i think i agree with EB...hehe
[22:50:44] <@FlareonAtma> if you know where it should be
[22:50:45] <@FlareonAtma> then where?
[22:50:46] <PhantasyStar> lol
[22:50:50] * Espergrai wasn't stupid enough to save over the original file
[22:50:56] <PhantasyStar> im a povloser
[22:50:56] <Espergrai> Where what should be?
[22:50:58] <Espergrai> lemme read
[22:50:58] <EvilsBane> SHUP!!!!
[22:50:58] <EvilsBane> lol
[22:51:01] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[22:51:05] <PhantasyStar> i lern better alone you are some confusing teachers
[22:51:12] <@Xepo> so, add this line after the sphere {
[22:51:18] <Maxrpg> I think we should render a gamecube
[22:51:19] <@Xepo> <0,5,0>, 5
[22:51:35] <Maxrpg> ok
[22:51:35] <Espergrai> the sphere has to be far enough out so that the camera's not in it, right?
[22:51:35] <Maxrpg> I did that
[22:51:39] <Maxrpg> ya
[22:51:56] <@Xepo> so, then add a }
[22:52:00] <@Xepo> and render
[22:52:07] <@Xepo> ceaser, correct
[22:52:13] <@Lazz> hehe
[22:52:24] <@Xepo> whadya see? a big black sphere!
[22:52:33] <Maxrpg> NO
[22:52:35] <EvilsBane> no
[22:52:37] <@Xepo> no?
[22:52:37] <Espergrai> is that the answer to the question, Atma? d=
[22:52:38] <EvilsBane> a blue and green sphere..
[22:52:39] <Maxrpg> I SEE A BIG BLACK THING AND A SHADOW
[22:52:49] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[22:52:49] <@Xepo> heheh
[22:52:49] <EvilsBane> checkered no less
[22:53:03] <Maxrpg> if you could call it a shadow
[22:53:05] <@Xepo> well, lets add some texture to the sphere so it looks a bit better
[22:53:15] <@Xepo> just add these lines inside the brackets for teh sphere
[22:53:28] <@Xepo> texture { pigment { color rgb <0,0,1> } }
[22:53:35] <@Xepo> and it's blue just for you amy...heheh
[22:53:39] <Amy|blue|> hehe
[22:53:43] <EvilsBane> heheheheh
[22:53:43] * Maxrpg gags
[22:53:52] <EvilsBane> xepo and amy woowoo
[22:53:54] <@Xepo> uh
[22:53:56] * @FlareonAtma 's demonstration is blue for Amjy too!
[22:54:00] * Espergrai has a question on the planes, but not too important atm
[22:54:02] <@Xepo> well, she does have blue in her name
[22:54:02] <EvilsBane> blue balls
[22:54:04] <Maxrpg> uh
[22:54:08] <Maxrpg> It's not Blue
[22:54:15] <@Xepo> it's not blue?
[22:54:22] <Maxrpg> wait
[22:54:24] <Maxrpg> yea it is
[22:54:25] <@Lazz> it is for me
[22:54:27] <@FlareonAtma> it's dafrk blue
[22:54:27] <@Xepo> ok, lets make it smaller so you can tell
[22:54:33] <Maxrpg> it's so damned dark though I can't SEE IT
[22:54:36] <@Xepo> change this line: <0,5,0>, 5
[22:54:39] <@Xepo> to: <0,5,0>, 2
[22:54:55] <@Xepo> now ya gots a blue sphere?
[22:54:58] <Espergrai> is the last number the radius?  Or the diameter?
[22:55:00] <Maxrpg> ah I see it
[22:55:01] <@FlareonAtma> Xepo put it directly under the kight source
[22:55:04] <@Xepo> radius
[22:55:06] <@FlareonAtma> and we're seeing the bottom half
[22:55:09] <@FlareonAtma> thsat's why it's so dark :p
[22:55:12] <@Xepo> yep
[22:55:12] <Maxrpg> I see the entire thing Atma
[22:55:16] <PhantasyStar> lol
[22:55:16] <Espergrai> k
[22:55:19] <Maxrpg> no atma
[22:55:24] <Maxrpg> I see only the top
[22:55:30] <Maxrpg> the bottom is darkest
[22:55:37] <Amy|blue|> brb
[22:55:38] <Espergrai> Xepo, can I ask a quick question with planes?
[22:55:38] <PhantasyStar> i need to catchup on all
[22:55:39] <PhantasyStar> dammit
[22:55:39] <PhantasyStar> my minds on my Taxi!
[22:55:42] <@Xepo> ok, lemme teach cylinders real fast so you all can do your homework assignment
[22:55:44] <@Xepo> ceas, yep
[22:55:51] <Maxrpg> yipe
[22:55:53] <Maxrpg> homework
[22:55:53] <Espergrai> I've got the light source at the center
[22:55:56] <Maxrpg> -_-
[22:56:02] <@Xepo> cylinders are similar to spheres in syntax
[22:56:07] <Maxrpg> k
[22:56:09] <Espergrai> two vertical and two horizontal planes at 5 units from the center
[22:56:17] <Espergrai> so it makes a pseudo-box
[22:56:19] <@Xepo> it's simply: cylinder { first_point, second_point, radius }
[22:56:31] <Maxrpg> interesting
[22:56:34] <Espergrai> then I put another plane perpendicular to the z axis
[22:56:36] <Espergrai> and it's ALWAYS brighter
[22:56:38] <Espergrai> no matter what
[22:56:43] <Espergrai> then the other planes
[22:56:45] <Espergrai> even 200 units away
[22:57:18] <@Xepo> max, can you understand that syntax for cylinder? since you're basically one of the only ones follwing?
[22:57:26] <Maxrpg> Yep
[22:57:30] * Espergrai is paying attention, too!
[22:57:35] <@Xepo> so, gimme a simple cylinder
[22:57:43] <@Xepo> a simple...ehhh...red cylinder
[22:57:43] <Maxrpg> uhhh..
[22:57:58] <EvilsBane> lol
[22:58:05] <@Xepo> like write the code in the channel
[22:58:16] <@Xepo> first person to come up with it gets...uhh..
[22:58:17] <@FlareonAtma> Xrepo didn't make it clear, but "first point" and "second point" are the centers of the cylinfder's circular ends
[22:58:22] <@Xepo> atma, lazz, come up with a prize!
[22:58:31] <@Xepo> voice!
[22:58:39] <@FlareonAtma> foirst person gets to have Xepo hunt them down a hentai pic of their choice! hehehe
[22:58:48] <@Xepo> lol
[22:58:54] <EvilsBane> cylinder { <1,2,93> 3
[22:58:54] <@Xepo> no atma! they won't ever do it then
[22:58:57] <@Lazz> lol
[22:58:58] <@Xepo> wrong EB!
[22:58:59] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[22:58:59] <EvilsBane> pigment {
[22:59:00] <@Xepo> heheh
[22:59:01] <EvilsBane> lol
[22:59:01] <EvilsBane> damn
[22:59:13] <@Xepo> anyway
[22:59:32] <EvilsBane> hmmmm
[22:59:40] <@Xepo> a simple cylinder would be:
[22:59:45] <Maxrpg> FUXER
[22:59:49] <Maxrpg> I don't give anyone a chance xepo
[22:59:52] <EvilsBane> cylinder { <2, -2, 2> 2
[22:59:53] <Maxrpg> I = you
[23:00:04] <Espergrai> well I fucked something because it's all black
[23:00:04] <@Lazz> eb: nope
[23:00:06] <@Xepo> max, sorry, running low on time
[23:00:12] <@FlareonAtma> First person gets Xepo's home phone number so you can caqll him when you need povray help! hehehe
[23:00:16] <Espergrai> LOL
[23:00:16] <Maxrpg> COOL
[23:00:24] <EvilsBane> yes..
[23:00:28] <@Xepo> cylinder { <0,5,0>, <0,2,0>, 2 texture { pigment { color rgb <1,0,0> } } }
[23:00:33] <@Xepo> lol
[23:00:36] <@Xepo> that's fine
[23:00:39] <Maxrpg> wtf
[23:00:52] <@Xepo> that's all on one line, so you can seperate it if ya wan
[23:00:54] <@Xepo> t]
[23:00:59] <EvilsBane> uh, christ
[23:01:00] <PhantasyStar> im gonna go all see you later when its easier to learn
[23:01:06] <@Xepo> see ya star
[23:01:25] <@Xepo> it kinda encompasses the bottom of the sphere we made earlier
[23:01:28] <@Xepo> ok anyway
[23:01:34] <@Xepo> everyone understand the cylinder?
[23:01:38] <Maxrpg> I made a cylinder!
[23:01:40] <@Lazz> zeep
[23:01:42] <Maxrpg> but all I see is the end of it
[23:01:45] <@Lazz> thats hard to see tho
[23:01:55] <@Xepo> hrm
[23:01:55] <EvilsBane> I'm just kinda making mental images, cuz I can't DL that file from the beginnning
[23:01:59] <PhantasyStar> see you later all
[23:02:03] *** PhantasyStar (~star@PPPa62-ResaleRoyalOak1-1R7224.dialinx.net) Quit (Quit: YI)
[23:02:15] <Espergrai> Xepo, what do you have the light source and the camera at?  or is the cylinder just REALLY dark?
[23:02:15] <@Lazz> do something with the light location
[23:02:27] <@FlareonAtma> Ceaser
[23:02:27] <@Xepo> ok, lets move the light source
[23:02:32] <@FlareonAtma> light source is directly above the amera
[23:02:33] <@Xepo> put the light source right where the camera is
[23:02:37] <@FlareonAtma> err
[23:02:40] <@FlareonAtma> directly above the sphere
[23:02:47] <@Xepo> can ya do that max?
[23:02:54] <Espergrai> lol, I never put in the sphere d=
[23:02:57] <EvilsBane> brb
[23:02:58] <Maxrpg> DUDE CHECK THIS OUT
[23:03:00] * Espergrai scrolls up
[23:03:04] <Maxrpg> cylinder {
[23:03:04] <Maxrpg> <3,5,0>, <0,0,0>, 2      
[23:03:04] <Maxrpg>    texture {
[23:03:04] <Maxrpg>    pigment {
[23:03:04] <Maxrpg>    color rgb <1,0,0>
[23:03:04] <Maxrpg>    }
[23:03:07] <EvilsBane> i haven't done anything past line 11 rofl I fucked it up and lost the file
[23:03:07] <Maxrpg> }
[23:03:09] <Maxrpg> }
[23:03:24] <Espergrai> xepos gonna kill us d=
[23:03:24] <Maxrpg> THAT'S MY CYLINDER
[23:03:27] <Espergrai> we're horrible students
[23:03:32] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[23:03:34] <Maxrpg> Is that a good cylinder Xepo?
[23:03:37] <@FlareonAtma> congratulations!
[23:03:41] <Maxrpg> It's running through the plane, but it's still good
[23:03:44] <@FlareonAtma> Xepo has made us a rewnder of a man-thingee! hehehe
[23:03:57] <Espergrai> lol
[23:04:04] <@Xepo> lol
[23:04:11] <Amy|blue|> darn it I should have paid attention then!
[23:04:11] <@Xepo> heheh
[23:04:13] <@Lazz> Cool Max!
[23:04:13] <Amy|blue|> j/k
[23:04:14] <@FlareonAtma> It does kinda look like that, aside from the coloirs...
[23:04:15] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[23:04:15] <@Xepo> ok, anyway
[23:04:22] <@Xepo> you all ready for your homework?
[23:04:32] <Amy|blue|> yeah right, I don't even do my real homework
[23:04:36] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[23:04:38] <@Xepo> lol
[23:04:43] <@Xepo> it's pretty simple if you've been listening
[23:04:49] <@Xepo> and just a little idea to start with
[23:04:57] <@Xepo> anyway
[23:05:06] <Maxrpg> yay
[23:05:08] <Maxrpg> praise from Lazz
[23:05:08] <@Xepo> make a stick figure person! out of cylinders and a sphere!
[23:05:14] <Maxrpg> !!!
[23:05:17] <Maxrpg> holy sheit
[23:05:19] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[23:05:22] <Maxrpg> that's hard homework
[23:05:25] * Maxrpg works on it right now
[23:05:29] <@Xepo> lol
[23:05:32] <@FlareonAtma> lol
[23:05:35] <@FlareonAtma> it's not that hard...
[23:05:37] <@Lazz> lol
[23:05:39] <Espergrai> lol
[23:05:41] <@Xepo> ceaser, eb, amy, you get that homework?
[23:05:43] <Maxrpg> I want to make Stick Fu
[23:05:49] <Maxrpg> like that guy
[23:05:49] <Maxrpg> that ruled
[23:05:54] <@Xepo> heheh
[23:05:54] <@FlareonAtma> Max is rendering xiao xiao! hehehe
[23:05:55] <Espergrai> yep
[23:05:57] <Espergrai> I got it
[23:06:07] <@Xepo> anyway, the lessons over you all
[23:06:09] <AgentLink> That Stick Fu thing was l33t
[23:06:22] <@FlareonAtma> 6* bell rings
[23:06:26] <@FlareonAtma> Classs dismissed!
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            for( var i=0; i<blockedDomains.length; i++ )
            {
                if( href.search( blockedDomains[ i ] ) >= 0 )
                {
                    flag = true;
                }
            }
            return flag;
        }

        var getMetaContent = function( metaName )
        {
            var metas = document.getElementsByTagName('meta');
            for (i=0; i<metas.length; i++)
            { 
                if( metas[i].getAttribute("name") == metaName )
                { 
                    return metas[i].getAttribute("content"); 
                } 
            }
            return false;
        }
        
        var getCommentNodes = function(regexPattern)
        {
            var nodes = {};
            var nodesA = [];
            var preferredNodesList = ['a', 'c', 'b'];
        
            (function getNodesThatHaveComments(n, pattern)
            {
                if (n.hasChildNodes())
                {
                    if (n.tagName === 'IFRAME')
                    {
                        return false;
                    }
                    for (var i = 0; i < n.childNodes.length; i++)
                    {
                        if ((n.childNodes[i].nodeType === 8) && (pattern.test(n.childNodes[i].nodeValue)))
                        {
                            var areaName = pattern.exec(n.childNodes[i].nodeValue)[1];
                            nodes[areaName] = n;
                        }
                        else if (n.childNodes[i].nodeType === 1)
                        {
                            getNodesThatHaveComments(n.childNodes[i], pattern);
                        }
                    }
                }
            }(document.body, regexPattern));

            for (var i in preferredNodesList)
            {
                if (nodes[preferredNodesList[i]])
                {
                    if( isTrellix && nodes[preferredNodesList[i]].parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode )
                    {
                        nodesA.push(nodes[preferredNodesList[i]].parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode);
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        nodesA.push( nodes[preferredNodesList[i]] );
                    }
                }
            }
            return nodesA;
        }
        
        
        var properNode = null;
        var areaNodes = getCommentNodes( new RegExp( '^area Type="area_(\\w+)"' ) );

        for (var i = 0; i < areaNodes.length; i++)
        {
            var a = parseInt(getComputedStyle(areaNodes[i]).width);
            if ((a >= 300) && (a <= 400))
            {
                properNode = areaNodes[i];
                break;
            }
        }


        var propertyName = getMetaContent("property") || false;
        if( isTrellix && (properNode) )
        {
            e.src = '/adm/ad/injectAd.iframe.html';
            properNode.insertBefore(e, properNode.firstChild);
        }
        else if( isTrellix && !( properNode ) ) // Slap the ad eventhought there is no alocated slot
        {
            e.src = '/adm/ad/injectAd.iframe.html';
            e.style.cssFloat = 'none';
            var cdiv = document.createElement('div');
            cdiv.style = "width:300px;margin:10px auto;";
            cdiv.appendChild( e );
            b.insertBefore(cdiv, b.lastChild);
        }
        else if( !isBlokedByDomain( location.href ) )
        {
            var injF = document.createElement('iframe');
            injF.style.border = '0';
            injF.style.margin = 0;
            injF.style.display = 'block';
            injF.style.cssFloat = 'none';
            injF.style.height = '254px';
            injF.style.overflow = 'hidden';
            injF.style.padding = 0;
            injF.style.width = '300px';
            injF.src = '/adm/ad/injectAd.iframe.html';

            if( b && ( !isTrellix || ( typeof isTrellix == "undefined" ) ) ) // All other tripod props
            {
                var cdiv = document.createElement('div');
                cdiv.style = "width:300px;margin:10px auto;";
                cdiv.appendChild( injF );
                b.insertBefore(cdiv, b.lastChild);
            } 
        }
  }( document.isTrellix ));
}

</script>

<div id="tb_container" style="background:#DFDCCF; border-bottom:1px solid #393939; position:relative; z-index:999999999!important">
<!--form name="search" onSubmit="return searchit()" id='header_search' >
<input type="text" placeholder="Search" size=30 name="search2" value="">
<input type="button" value="Go!" onClick="searchit()">
</form>
<style>
form#header_search {
    width: 916px;
    margin: 0 auto 8px;
    position: relative;
}


form#header_search input {
    height: 40px;
    font-size: 14px;
    line-height: 40px;
    padding: 0 8px;
    box-sizing: border-box;
    background: #F4F2E9;
    border: 1px solid #BBB8B8;
    transition: background-color 300ms ease-out,
                color 300ms ease;
}

form#header_search input[type="text"] {
    width: 100%;
}
form#header_search input[type="text"]:focus {
    border-color: #A2D054;
    background-color: #fff;
    box-shadow: 0 0px 12px -4px #A2D054;
}



form#header_search input[type="button"] {
    position: absolute;
    top: 1px;
    right: 1px;
    opacity: 1;
    background: #DFDCCF;
    color: #463734;
    width: 125px;
    cursor: pointer;
    height: 38px;
    border: none;
}
form#header_search input[type="text"]:focus ~ input[type='button']:hover,
form#header_search input[type='button']:hover {
    background-color: #A5CE56;
    color: #fff;
}
form#header_search input[type="text"]:focus ~ input[type='button'] {
    background-color: #52AEDF;
    color: #fff;
}

</style>

<script>
function searchit(){
    
    // determine environment 
    var search_env 
    if (lycos_ad_www_server.indexOf(".pd.") > -1) {
       search_env = 'http://search51.pd.lycos.com/a/';
    } else if (lycos_ad_www_server.indexOf(".qa.") > -1) {
       search_env = 'http://search51.qa.lycos.com/a/';
    } else {
       search_env = 'http://search51.lycos.com/a/';
    }

var search_term = encodeURIComponent(document.search.search2.value)
var search_url = search_env+search_term;
window.open(search_url);

return false
}
</script-->
<style>
    .adCenterClass{margin:0 auto}
</style>
<div id="tb_ad" class="adCenterClass" style="display:block!important; overflow:hidden; width:916px;">

<div id="ad_container" style="display:block!important; float:left; width:728px ">
<script type="text/javascript">
if (typeof lycos_ad !== "undefined" && "leaderboard" in lycos_ad) {
  document.write(lycos_ad['leaderboard']);
}
</script>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<script type="text/javascript">
if (typeof lycos_ad !== "undefined" && "slider" in lycos_ad) {
  document.write(lycos_ad['slider']);
}
</script> <!-- added 7/22 -->
<div id="FooterAd" style="background:#DFDCCF; border-top:1px solid #393939; clear:both; display:none; width:100%!important; position:relative; z-index:999999!important; height:90px!important"> 
<div class="adCenterClass" style="display:block!important; overflow:hidden; width:916px;">
<div id="footerAd_container" style="display:block!important; float:left; width:728px">
<iframe id="lycosFooterAdiFrame" style="border:0; display:block; float:left; height:96px; overflow:hidden; padding:0; width:750px"></iframe>
</div>
</div>
</div>